Faction Unique Weapons in Socom 4

[LUKENBACHER]

Well damn. I wasn't happy at all to hear about this one....

There will be "dedicated weapons per faction" on Socom 4.

This is a Confrontation feature I did not like.
Newer players would apply for clans just PURELY based on what weapons a clan faction could offer.

And what happens when more factions are released later?
On Confrontation, long time clans had to disband their entire roster to try out the new guns.
Sometimes, not all the clan members liked the idea of their rank being reset or possibly losing a favorite weapon.
I've seen people change clans over arguments in this situation.
I've also seen clans have to re-enter the clan ladders and lose their record/position in order to enjoy new content.
We also saw clans "stuck" wanting to try the new content, but not wanting to throw away a year's worth of success.
Sometimes, after a few months of playing the game, a clan realizes they made a poor choice and want to try one of the other original factions that offers a better weapon.
Basically, a clan has to start completely over like they just bought the game that day.

Surely, these headaches are taken in consideration when implementing faction unique weapons.

Once a clan identity is created, they should have the option to switch factions at least once or twice during their Socom 4 legacy.

They should NOT have the option to switch factions on a daily basis.

But in all honesty, I would like to see this feature scrapped all together.

[So-Krack]

Jul 23, 2010 18:12:17 GMT -5 LUKENBACHER said:

Well damn. I wasn't happy at all to hear about this one....

There will be "dedicated weapons per faction" on Socom 4.

This is a Confrontation feature I did not like.
Newer players would apply for clans just PURELY based on what weapons a clan faction could offer.

And what happens when more factions are released later?
On Confrontation, long time clans had to disband their entire roster to try out the new guns.
Sometimes, not all the clan members liked the idea of their rank being reset or possibly losing a favorite weapon.
I've seen people change clans over arguments over this situation.
I've also seen clans have to re-enter the clan ladders and lose their record/position in order to enjoy new content.
We also saw clans "stuck" wanting to try the new content, but not wanting to throw away a year's worth of success.
Sometimes, after a few months of playing the game, a clan realizes they made a poor choice and want to try one of the other original factions that offers a better weapon.
Basically, a clan has to start completely over like they just bought the game that day.

Surely, these headaches are taken in consideration when implementing faction unique weapons.

Once a clan identity is created, they should have the option to switch factions at least once or twice during their Socom 4 legacy.

They should NOT have the option to switch factions on a daily basis.

But in all honesty, I would like to see this feature scrapped all together.

I'm right their with ya man. Look what happened in the beginning of Confrontation with the FAMAs and the french faction. Then, /6 had to decrease the "statistical value" of the gun in order to adhere to all of the whiners. Looks like Zipper just created themselves a HUGE headache that could have been easily avoided.

I'm sure there reasoning is, with all of the different factions they need to give the players a reason to join one or the other. I guess they feel like if each faction doesn't offer something different, what's the point of having all of those different factions in the first place. They, for some reason, choose weapons as the main difference.

[HTK]

Yeah I made a thread go support:

forums.socom.com/t5/SOCOM-4/Faction-Specific-Weapons-Separation-of-Clans/td-p/794943

[Philz20]

Ew. Not happy.

[Cyanide]

I frequent another forum that introduced a great idea.

You can only change your Display Name 3 times per month. Of course it should be lowered, but if they do have to have faction specific weapons, they should do that.

[daviddoel]

Why is this in the game? WHY?!

What purpose does this serve? Does anyone actually have a valid argument for Zipper for this? I can't think of any good that comes from this decision.

[schwinn04]

[bigfred18]

I hate factions. If they had if it was only for camo then i wouldn't care. Now i'm spending $60 for only half of the guns.I don't feel like quiting clans just to try a weapon. It only encourages people to clan hop.

[xWARGOx]

Jul 23, 2010 18:12:17 GMT -5 LUKENBACHER said:

Well damn. I wasn't happy at all to hear about this one....

There will be "dedicated weapons per faction" on Socom 4.

This is a Confrontation feature I did not like.
Newer players would apply for clans just PURELY based on what weapons a clan faction could offer.

And what happens when more factions are released later?
On Confrontation, long time clans had to disband their entire roster to try out the new guns.
Sometimes, not all the clan members liked the idea of their rank being reset or possibly losing a favorite weapon.
I've seen people change clans over arguments in this situation.
I've also seen clans have to re-enter the clan ladders and lose their record/position in order to enjoy new content.
We also saw clans "stuck" wanting to try the new content, but not wanting to throw away a year's worth of success.
Sometimes, after a few months of playing the game, a clan realizes they made a poor choice and want to try one of the other original factions that offers a better weapon.
Basically, a clan has to start completely over like they just bought the game that day.

Surely, these headaches are taken in consideration when implementing faction unique weapons.

Once a clan identity is created, they should have the option to switch factions at least once or twice during their Socom 4 legacy.

They should NOT have the option to switch factions on a daily basis.

But in all honesty, I would like to see this feature scrapped all together.

who knows maybe they will treat it like a Clan respec similar to a respec in mag. Just on a bigger scale

[daviddoel]

I don't even like that there are "Factions".

Guess that means we definitely won't be seeing "SEALS vs Terrorists".

[buchanans]

I think you guys are jumping the gun here... they never stated that factions are something picked for the entire clan or that any choice is final and can't be changed. S2 had different factions or special forces what if it is set up just like that except if we want to use an IW-80 we simply just picked the Reaver or Sabre character before the map loaded up?

I'd be more then fine with a setup like that, actually I would prefer that. Want to use all SEAL weapons and gear... just pick a SEAL character in the pre game lobby. Want to use all the Spetsnaz weapons and gear then just pick a Spetsnaz character in the pre game lobby. I will say the comment following about being able to scavenge weapons did sound like there was some sort of permanence to your faction choice but that's just speculation.

[[BER]PAUL-AWOL-]

Yeah this sux IMO, my Clan is definetly one who has 4 rosters because certain people like certain weapons. Just wait, there will be one gun that everyone will like because it will be the Noob gun of Socom and all the factions will be that one. Like the FAMAS in the beginning.

[LUKENBACHER]

Jul 24, 2010 15:56:49 GMT -5 [BER]PAUL-AWOL- said:

Yeah this sux IMO, my Clan is definetly one who has 4 rosters because certain people like certain weapons. Just wait, there will be one gun that everyone will like because it will be the Noob gun of Socom and all the factions will be that one. Like the FAMAS in the beginning.

If you goto SocomIV.com and look at the NEWS section, I actually used a picture of the Famas for the headline as a cryptic reminder.

[So-Krack]

Jul 24, 2010 14:43:54 GMT -5 buchanans said:

I think you guys are jumping the gun here... they never stated that factions are something picked for the entire clan or that any choice is final and can't be changed. S2 had different factions or special forces what if it is set up just like that except if we want to use an IW-80 we simply just picked the Reaver or Sabre character before the map loaded up?

I'd be more then fine with a setup like that, actually I would prefer that. Want to use all SEAL weapons and gear... just pick a SEAL character in the pre game lobby. Want to use all the Spetsnaz weapons and gear then just pick a Spetsnaz character in the pre game lobby. I will say the comment following about being able to scavenge weapons did sound like there was some sort of permanence to your faction choice but that's just speculation.

I saw you posted something like this on socom.com....and I agree. They never actually said they are going to have the one faction per clan. All they said was they were going to have factions, and that could be a lot of things. Everyone is just "assuming" it's going to be like Confrontation when it would very well be something like in previous Socoms or something different all together.

[Philz20]

I wouldn't have a huge problem with it if clans were allowed to change factions a few times a month. If there are indeed factions, then they shouldn't force you to disband the clan. Just change the ranking symbols and so on. Hell, we don't even know for sure if there will be character customization like Confrontation.

[spacegerbil1]

With a more reasonable implementation of faction specific weapons, I think it could work.

When you join a clan you can gain access to use that factions specific weapon right away. But there should be an option to unlock other clans factions specific weapons by killing X amount of people over X time. I do not like the idea of permanently restricting weapons based on factions.

[xWARGOx]

Jul 26, 2010 8:42:02 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

With a more reasonable implementation of faction specific weapons, I think it could work.

When you join a clan you can gain access to use that factions specific weapon right away. But there should be an option to unlock other clans factions specific weapons by killing X amount of people over X time. I do not like the idea of permanently restricting weapons based on factions.

I think Rev brought up a good point to how it may be. You can choose your character to the X amount of given characters and depending which one you chose you get the weapons they are specialized in (based off their country). I also think they may incorporate something like a RESPEC in MAG. After so many points earned you can switch? Who knows though. Just throwing out some ideas.

Also when SC was in development from my understanding at first there was no Merc side. The faction you chose is the one you play with at all times. I think we will see this on Socom 4. Is there a real point in having a Merc Character when they are offering your and making you chose a designated character but you can only play with them 50% of the time?

[spacegerbil1]

Jul 26, 2010 8:52:18 GMT -5 xWARGOx said:

Jul 26, 2010 8:42:02 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

With a more reasonable implementation of faction specific weapons, I think it could work.

When you join a clan you can gain access to use that factions specific weapon right away. But there should be an option to unlock other clans factions specific weapons by killing X amount of people over X time. I do not like the idea of permanently restricting weapons based on factions.

I think Rev brought up a good point to how it may be. You can choose your character to the X amount of given characters and depending which one you chose you get the weapons they are specialized in (based off their country). I also think they may incorporate something like a RESPEC in MAG. After so many points earned you can switch? Who knows though. Just throwing out some ideas.

Also when SC was in development from my understanding at first there was no Merc side. The faction you chose is the one you play with at all times. I think we will see this on Socom 4. Is there a real point in having a Merc Character when they are offering your and making you chose a designated character but you can only play with them 50% of the time?

Well.... you are assuming there are NO Merc factions. While I tend to agree with you that there will probably only be SEAL factions, it would be sweet if there were Merc factions. But how do you have Merc factions without glorifying Terrorism in this overly PC world? Whats the correct choice between group A who murders unicorns and rainbows and group B who drowns puppies and kittens?

[xWARGOx]

Jul 26, 2010 9:10:20 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

Jul 26, 2010 8:52:18 GMT -5 xWARGOx said:

I think Rev brought up a good point to how it may be. You can choose your character to the X amount of given characters and depending which one you chose you get the weapons they are specialized in (based off their country). I also think they may incorporate something like a RESPEC in MAG. After so many points earned you can switch? Who knows though. Just throwing out some ideas.

Also when SC was in development from my understanding at first there was no Merc side. The faction you chose is the one you play with at all times. I think we will see this on Socom 4. Is there a real point in having a Merc Character when they are offering your and making you chose a designated character but you can only play with them 50% of the time?

Well.... you are assuming there are NO Merc factions. While I tend to agree with you that there will probably only be SEAL factions, it would be sweet if there were Merc factions. But how do you have Merc factions without glorifying Terrorism in this overly PC world? Whats the correct choice between group A who murders unicorns and rainbows and group B who drowns puppies and kittens?

Yea like I said, I am throwing ideas aka assumptions or thoughts on my view or how it could work. Fucking Political Correctness. Every wonder why we have so many pussies out there? Three years ago I just started coaching my new team. Under 18 team so had 17&18 year olds mainly. One mom got mad that I used bad language too much especially towards her son Jared. Now him being just shy of 18 and huge vagina and lazy little spoiled rich waste of talent, I simply responded.

"Jared is lazy. I need to stay on top of him. If I tell him to get moving three or four times and he doesn't respond. Well I simply skate over to him, whisper in his ear, you better fucking start moving or you can simply get off my fucking ice". He will now get the point. If he fails again not only will it now be me chewing his ass out in front of the team but he will not be in my lineup.

Mommy then will get mad she spent $4200 to play and is upset he is not playing when the ball is in his court. I hate parents.

[So-Krack]

point is, just like with anything else regarding MP, we have no info other then faction specific. I would hope Zipper would be smart enough to see the hatred in Confrontation regarding faction specifics. Before we start blaming anyone, lets wait (for 2015 is seems) for some more info first.

[buchanans]

Jul 26, 2010 9:28:16 GMT -5 xWARGOx said:

Jul 26, 2010 9:10:20 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

Well.... you are assuming there are NO Merc factions. While I tend to agree with you that there will probably only be SEAL factions, it would be sweet if there were Merc factions. But how do you have Merc factions without glorifying Terrorism in this overly PC world? Whats the correct choice between group A who murders unicorns and rainbows and group B who drowns puppies and kittens?

Yea like I said, I am throwing ideas aka assumptions or thoughts on my view or how it could work. Fucking Political Correctness. Every wonder why we have so many pussies out there? Three years ago I just started coaching my new team. Under 18 team so had 17&18 year olds mainly. One mom got mad that I used bad language too much especially towards her son Jared. Now him being just shy of 18 and huge vagina and lazy little spoiled rich waste of talent, I simply responded.

"Jared is lazy. I need to stay on top of him. If I tell him to get moving three or four times and he doesn't respond. Well I simply skate over to him, whisper in his ear, you better fucking start moving or you can simply get off my fucking ice". He will now get the point. If he fails again not only will it now be me chewing his ass out in front of the team but he will not be in my lineup.

Mommy then will get mad she spent $4200 to play and is upset he is not playing when the ball is in his court. I hate parents.

Political correctness is a fucking joke hopefully things will start moving away from pussy footing around this so called sensitive issues. I was actually really glad to see that the new Medal of Honor just straight up calls the Taliban the Taliban.

Speaking of so called sensitive issues does anybody know what hell happened to Six Days in Faliujah? I heard it was scrapped, then back on again, then Atomic was making a game Breach that actually looked promising in regards to the detail of destruction, but it was only going to be for XBL, and I don't even know what become of that game now either.

[So-Krack]

Jul 26, 2010 11:22:46 GMT -5 buchanans said:

Jul 26, 2010 9:28:16 GMT -5 xWARGOx said:

Yea like I said, I am throwing ideas aka assumptions or thoughts on my view or how it could work. Fucking Political Correctness. Every wonder why we have so many pussies out there? Three years ago I just started coaching my new team. Under 18 team so had 17&18 year olds mainly. One mom got mad that I used bad language too much especially towards her son Jared. Now him being just shy of 18 and huge vagina and lazy little spoiled rich waste of talent, I simply responded.

"Jared is lazy. I need to stay on top of him. If I tell him to get moving three or four times and he doesn't respond. Well I simply skate over to him, whisper in his ear, you better fucking start moving or you can simply get off my fucking ice". He will now get the point. If he fails again not only will it now be me chewing his ass out in front of the team but he will not be in my lineup.

Mommy then will get mad she spent $4200 to play and is upset he is not playing when the ball is in his court. I hate parents.

Political correctness is a fucking joke hopefully things will start moving away from pussy footing around this so called sensitive issues. I was actually really glad to see that the new Medal of Honor just straight up calls the Taliban the Taliban.

Speaking of so called sensitive issues does anybody know what hell happened to Six Days in Faliujah? I heard it was scrapped, then back on again, then Atomic was making a game Breach that actually looked promising in regards to the detail of destruction, but it was only going to be for XBL, and I don't even know what become of that game now either.

I couldn't agree more with wargo or buchanans. And I didn't realize that Medal of Honor actually has the "taliban" in their game....thats great. And a great step in stopping all of this BS. Nothing pissed me off more then when Socom went to Mercinaries instead of Terrorists.