The Honor Code in Socom ?

[HTK]

Jul 20, 2010 0:55:12 GMT -5 Greatness said:

Honor code is good and all, but I've never understand a person was voted because he used a certain gun or attachment in any Socom game. To me, it makes this whole honor code hypocritical, however, I never played Socom II so I wouldn't know. Just it seems lame that people can't adapt around certain play styles. Which always gave me a chuckle when the removed RPG's and whatnot from rank rooms in Confrontation. Trash talking isn't a bad thing until you take it too far. Sportsmanship should always have it's role.

Because if you have GOOD PLAYERS start using RPGS and what not. You will not enjoy the game at all trust me.

It takes no skill to aim a NOOB TUBE and shoot it 10 feet around someone and kill them. The game was never about that, it was about tactics, teamwork and pure skill.

Nothing hypocritical if we're not using them ourselves...

[[$K$] BOOMxSTICK]

The abused in this thread seem to be abused as a random player. I play with my clan...usually have 10 or more guys on....so we play large rooms that get filled by other clans....it is most often friendly....sometimes after the first map it is not so friendly though lol

[xWARGOx]

Jul 20, 2010 9:05:40 GMT -5 [$K$] BOOMxSTICK said:

The abused in this thread seem to be abused as a random player. I play with my clan...usually have 10 or more guys on....so we play large rooms that get filled by other clans....it is most often friendly....sometimes after the first map it is not so friendly though lol

I had a friend once. Then he stole my excite bike for nes so I stole his nes.

[WarMachine_v1]

WARGO... guys legit see your tags and vote? Probably because they have some stupid beef with wrath and his videos lol

[Greatness]

Jul 20, 2010 8:28:21 GMT -5 HTK said:

Jul 20, 2010 0:55:12 GMT -5 Greatness said:

Honor code is good and all, but I've never understand a person was voted because he used a certain gun or attachment in any Socom game. To me, it makes this whole honor code hypocritical, however, I never played Socom II so I wouldn't know. Just it seems lame that people can't adapt around certain play styles. Which always gave me a chuckle when the removed RPG's and whatnot from rank rooms in Confrontation. Trash talking isn't a bad thing until you take it too far. Sportsmanship should always have it's role.

Because if you have GOOD PLAYERS start using RPGS and what not. You will not enjoy the game at all trust me.

It takes no skill to aim a NOOB TUBE and shoot it 10 feet around someone and kill them. The game was never about that, it was about tactics, teamwork and pure skill.

Nothing hypocritical if we're not using them ourselves...

No offense my man, but that's silly. Anybody can be killed by a "Noob" at anytime no matter how good they are. Take Confrontation for example. Some jobber can come out of nowhere and get a lucky headshot since in that game, they come like water. Just sounds to me like something a casual would say because they're sore about dying from something that actually could have in a war game.

That's what's wrong with games today, they're crippled to appease the weak. Take in text that I don't personally use RPG's, but that's unfair to handicap another player because you're upset you got dealt with by an explosion. Could there be a medium ground where they could be handicapped so everyone won't be using them? Sure, but to outright remove them is silly. Of course all of this is in my opinion and because I'm of a different breed.

[HTK]

Actually back in the day, we would put in our notes for GB NO RPGs or GLs simply becasue its more hardcore and skillfull than actually using them....

Casuals are normally the ones that use RPGs and NOOB TUBES because their gun game is weak.

[Greatness]

Jul 20, 2010 9:37:08 GMT -5 HTK said:

Actually back in the day, we would put in our notes for GB NO RPGs or GLs simply becasue its more hardcore and skillfull than actually using them....

Casuals are normally the ones that use RPGs and NOOB TUBES because their gun game is weak.

Which makes me question who is really the casuals in this situation. A Good player should be able to adapt to some cat walking around with an RPG who is thinking he's hot stuff, but I guess not. Again, this is just my opinion. To me it's disgusting that people are handicapped because kids cry about certain weapons and "perks" in games. Sounds like a losers way out to me.

"He killed me with an RPG. HE'S A NOOB. BECAUSE HE SHOT ME AND I BLEW UP. NO SKILL TO AIM AND FIRE."

Then we'll get in another situation...

"Oh, he used an p90. He's a scrub for using an automatic weapon. The gun is overpowered. Tone it down wahhh"

Which also gives me a chuckle because if you don't get shot, no gun is "overpowered". Am I right?

[[$K$] BOOMxSTICK]

Jul 20, 2010 9:31:32 GMT -5 Greatness said:

Jul 20, 2010 8:28:21 GMT -5 HTK said:

Because if you have GOOD PLAYERS start using RPGS and what not. You will not enjoy the game at all trust me.

It takes no skill to aim a NOOB TUBE and shoot it 10 feet around someone and kill them. The game was never about that, it was about tactics, teamwork and pure skill.

Nothing hypocritical if we're not using them ourselves...

No offense my man, but that's silly. Anybody can be killed by a "Noob" at anytime no matter how good they are. Take Confrontation for example. Some jobber can come out of nowhere and get a lucky headshot since in that game, they come like water. Just sounds to me like something a casual would say because they're sore about dying from something that actually could have in a war game.

That's what's wrong with games today, they're crippled to appease the weak. Take in text that I don't personally use RPG's, but that's unfair to handicap another player because you're upset you got dealt with by an explosion. Could there be a medium ground where they could be handicapped so everyone won't be using them? Sure, but to outright remove them is silly. Of course all of this is in my opinion and because I'm of a different breed.

Gun fights is what makes Socom fun...RLs and GLs take away from that. I'll join a respawn that has the GLs and RLs on....fun for a round...after that you just want to use your gun. I remember playing Confrontation with GLs and RLs in ranked rooms...not much fun...you'd thing they'd be used to clear campers...but that isn't the case....they were used by campers to take out rushers. The gameplay improved ten fold without GLs and RLs....and that is not just my opinion.

[HTK]

They are simply cheap kills, you don't think using an actual assault rifle is more skill than shooting a grenade launcher?

People want to compete will skill not with grenade launchers because we already have grenades and they take skill to throw over objects or place them in the right spot. Running around using a GL requires: NO AIM, or actual COMBAT. Because you shoot anywhere near a guy and he's dead. With an assault rifle you pretty much go at it, shooting at eachother until someone kills ya.

Also regarding guns, the main thing for the online that every developer will do is make sure its an equal playing field because people compete online.

There are cases that some weapons are over powered than others which throws that balance out.

If you had one overpowered weapons and another one like in SOCOM 1 it was AKS 74 vs. M4A1 SD and nobody wanted to really use any other weapons because they were the best weapons.

If they can balance all the weapons and put like 100 weapons in and people using different weapons to their advantage, it just seems more of a complete game.

[spacegerbil1]

Ummmmm.... shooting a M203 or RPG at a wall behind me, or the floor in front of me to kill me via explosion is super easy and cheap.

How do I counter that with my "gun game" not walk on floors or next to walls?

[xWARGOx]

Jul 20, 2010 12:42:38 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

Ummmmm.... shooting a M203 or RPG at a wall behind me, or the floor in front of me to kill me via explosion is super easy and cheap.

How do I counter that with my "gun game" not walk on floors or next to walls?

Shoot him before he shoots you

[[PAs] PAs_SCORPION]

Jul 20, 2010 12:47:30 GMT -5 xWARGOx said:

Jul 20, 2010 12:42:38 GMT -5 spacegerbil1 said:

Ummmmm.... shooting a M203 or RPG at a wall behind me, or the floor in front of me to kill me via explosion is super easy and cheap.

How do I counter that with my "gun game" not walk on floors or next to walls?

Shoot him before he shoots you

iseewhatyoujustdidrightthere...

ahhhh... sneaky.. lol.

Yep, if you run around like a retard (what every fps respawn game has taught us to do) then you're going to get kill no matter what the other guy is hold. Honestly in the the old Socom he and his whole clan could have grabbed 4 grenades and just bombarded the map at the beginning of the round with the same effect. It is what it is.

The only reason why anyone gets their panties in a bunch is because it's more accurate and faster.

[unoj3w420]

i liked the old days of desert glory of everyone knew exactly where to "THROW" nades at the start of the round base on their span point and that would wipe out at least half of the rushers. then it was on to real guns. not including m14(s1) or iw(s2) those "were the days"

[Greatness]

Exactly! You see what Wargo said? Shoot him before he shoots you. Again, the "Skilled" Socom player should be able to kill the jackass holding the RPG who thinks he's hot stuff. It's all about personal opinion though. One guy in this thread said it was more fun when they both had guns, but that's just a matter of personal opinion. If I want to shoot you with an RPG in RANKED, I should have that option. I chuckle because no one has a problem with a Deagle being a 1 shot kill, but an RPG (Which is a one shot kill) everyone wants to cry foul. I don't get it. But I'm a rare commodity and the spirit of true competition has died in my opinion. Everything is cheap now a day.

[spacegerbil1]

Jul 21, 2010 0:10:53 GMT -5 Greatness said:

Exactly! You see what Wargo said? Shoot him before he shoots you. Again, the "Skilled" Socom player should be able to kill the jackass holding the RPG who thinks he's hot stuff. It's all about personal opinion though. One guy in this thread said it was more fun when they both had guns, but that's just a matter of personal opinion. If I want to shoot you with an RPG in RANKED, I should have that option. I chuckle because no one has a problem with a Deagle being a 1 shot kill, but an RPG (Which is a one shot kill) everyone wants to cry foul. I don't get it. But I'm a rare commodity and the spirit of true competition has died in my opinion. Everything is cheap now a day.

Sorry. Still not buying it. For reference:



So I have a gun, and my enemy has an M203 launcher. To kill me, all he has to do is fire a single shot anywhere into the blue area. For me to kill him, I have to fire and hit 5-7 shots into the red area(or get a lucky head shot). Now how is this fair again?

[xWARGOx]

Jul 21, 2010 0:10:53 GMT -5 Greatness said:

Exactly! You see what Wargo said? Shoot him before he shoots you. Again, the "Skilled" Socom player should be able to kill the jackass holding the RPG who thinks he's hot stuff. It's all about personal opinion though. One guy in this thread said it was more fun when they both had guns, but that's just a matter of personal opinion. If I want to shoot you with an RPG in RANKED, I should have that option. I chuckle because no one has a problem with a Deagle being a 1 shot kill, but an RPG (Which is a one shot kill) everyone wants to cry foul. I don't get it. But I'm a rare commodity and the spirit of true competition has died in my opinion. Everything is cheap now a day.

You know what I find annoying? How a DE would never be used by a SF. My Former Force Recon Rommate/best friend (was also part of Det-1) used a Sig 226 in the field. Swears by the gun and laughs at people going crazy over a DE due to video games. Plus, 1 shot doesn't really bother me as if it comes down to it, they will not miss your head with their side arm. I should try and post some pics of the arsenal in the house I lived in with him for 3 years.

[BushWacker]

I wished that there was no M203's or Rpg's in Socom. They would work tactically for a game with vehcles or large amounts of players who bunker up together. You rarely have any of that in a Socom game. Having said that, I do believe that if it's an option in the game, I don't have the right to tell someone not to use it. Yes a guy can be taking cheap shots with the noobers tubers if they know exactly where you are but that is really no different than a guy with a grenade in his hand. A grenade vs. an assault rifle is just as difficult a situation as an RPG vs. an assault rifle.

[xWARGOx]

Jul 21, 2010 10:45:24 GMT -5 BushWacker said:

I wished that there was no M203's or Rpg's in Socom. They would work tactically for a game with vehcles or large amounts of players who bunker up together. You rarely have any of that in a Socom game. Having said that, I do believe that if it's an option in the game, I don't have the right to tell someone not to use it. Yes a guy can be taking cheap shots with the noobers tubers if they know exactly where you are but that is really no different than a guy with a grenade in his hand. A grenade vs. an assault rifle is just as difficult a situation as an RPG vs. an assault rifle.

Yea if we had vehicles again I would be 100% ok with it as there would be a purpose for them. For taking out one guy, you should be kicked in the dick for using them.

[buchanans]

I could care less about whether rockets and noob tubes are in the games or not. I want the game to be about strategies and thinking so the more variation in weapons and equipment the better. But I will say it would be nice if rockets were in map pickups so their quantity could be more limited and noob tubes should have to go 20-25 meters first before they work.

[SOCOM_TOUGH_GUY]

Jul 17, 2010 19:25:48 GMT -5 r_e_v said:

Regardless of how immature the Socom Community might seem to have stooped down too, it's still VERY MATURE, compared to most of the gaming communities out there.

yea i definately agree with that. There are ridiculously immature and just stupid people out there on the internet that you don't see as much on Socom than on..say..cod.
For example this probably 14 year old kid told me that his brother's in the mafia and that he could come kill me now. It just pissed me off that he was being DEAD SERIOUS for like 10 minutes about it and getting so mad. But it was still kinda funny just because of how ridiculous it was.
My point is, you might run into Radio Raheem here and there that says his clan can rape your clan, but never anything as bad as that COD nerd.

[[PAs] IDEVILMANI]

As far as RPGs and 203's go, These days, I say use them. Why.

Plain and simple, the new generation would rather look at a wall for 40 minutes rather than play a game for 10. IF an RPG gets me a kill off of some jackass humping a wall for an entire game, then so be it. Shouldn't have been camping there.

[xWARGOx]

Jul 22, 2010 7:15:54 GMT -5 [PAs] IDEVILMANI said:

As far as RPGs and 203's go, These days, I say use them. Why.

Plain and simple, the new generation would rather look at a wall for 40 minutes rather than play a game for 10. IF an RPG gets me a kill off of some jackass humping a wall for an entire game, then so be it. Shouldn't have been camping there.

Save a nade or two? Change your strategy? Look for other solutions. Is he able to see 90/180/360 degrees? Is an attack from above in play? Is there another teammate you can simply open your mouth over the mic and call him out for help. Bait him for another teammate? Ask a teammate to nade. Use smoke or a bang. Change your angle of attack. See you may hate the camper and his tactic of doing so for him being simple minded or just doing it to piss you off and force you to make a mistake. Why not use your head and go through every option. See I prefer no 203s or RPG on personel but I also can use my head to avoid them. It's all about utilizing your skills to the fullest. That includes your thought process. People say this is a tactical game (which it is at times) so why not be tactical. You may say this new generation of gamers is bad but ask yourself this, are you doing anything better to adapt?

[[PAs] PAs_SCORPION]

The fact that either of you are having this conversation means the game is tactical. To each his own. If there comes a time when you have to work together as a team.. then you should worry about being on the same page.. until then.. I say you should each do what makes you happy and gets you a win.

[xWARGOx]

Jul 22, 2010 10:28:54 GMT -5 [PAs] PAs_SCORPION said:

The fact that either of you are having this conversation means the game is tactical. To each his own. If there comes a time when you have to work together as a team.. then you should worry about being on the same page.. until then.. I say you should each do what makes you happy and gets you a win.

I was just saying there are more options then pulling a Lebron by taking the easy way out to win and using an RPG ;-). Now go get your shine box scorp and clean these boots off for me.

[So-Krack]

I agree somewhat with the OP here. Back when S1 came out, I was in high school, and for the life of me couldn't figure out how to get online. I tried and tried and tried, bought a $100 adaptar and still no deal. Finally I realized what the issue was, I had dial up....(wasn't so bright back then, lol).

To be, the kids now a days wouldn't go through all that trouble. They would have tried for about 2 minutes, then just quit because it was to hard. That being said, the Socom community is one of the most mature out there. It's one of the reasons I continue to play to this day.