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Post by [BER]PAUL-AWOL- on Jul 17, 2010 18:48:58 GMT -5
I think the Honor code in Socom is gone out the window.
Because in order to play Socom 2 back in the day it required more of a want to play on-line than it does now a days. Kids get a PS3 for Christmas and it takes no effort to connect on-line and start playing COD/SOCOM. The idea of honor is gone due to the world being able to play Socom all at once.
I had to go out spend 100 dollars on an adapter, it took me for ever to figure it out and get on-line. Then I had to upgrade my Internet to cable. Plus, back then I think they may have actually tried to card under age video game buyers because the CD wars were going on.
What I am getting at is more people who played Socom back then had the desire and love for the game to go thru all of this to play on-line. And I do see alot of people stating on Socom.com they played Socom 2 at age 8 thru 11 years old, to be honest I never ran into anyone that I can remember was that young. The Socom world used to be Adult driven and the Socom code was there due to Maturity.
Immature gamers have taken over Socom due to no UCRR's and the PS3 is easy to jump on and play on-line instantly. I believe the Code is gone in public rooms, that's why UCRR's were important. The Code is there in your room.
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Post by xStartThmachinex on Jul 17, 2010 19:05:32 GMT -5
I think the Honor code in Socom is gone out the window. Because in order to play Socom 2 back in the day it required more of a want to play on-line than it does now a days. Kids get a PS3 for Christmas and it takes no effort to connect on-line and start playing COD/SOCOM. The idea of honor is gone due to the world being able to play Socom all at once. I had to go out spend 100 dollars on an adapter, it took me for ever to figure it out and get on-line. Then I had to upgrade my Internet to cable. Plus, back then I think they may have actually tried to card under age video game buyers because the CD wars were going on. What I am getting at is more people who played Socom back then had the desire and love for the game to go thru all of this to play on-line. And I do see alot of people stating on Socom.com they played Socom 2 at age 8 thru 11 years old, to be honest I never ran into anyone that I can remember was that young. The Socom world used to be Adult driven and the Socom code was there due to Maturity. Immature gamers have taken over Socom due to no UCRR's and the PS3 is easy to jump on and play on-line instantly. I believe the Code is gone in public rooms, that's why UCRR's were important. The Code is there in your room. I don't know man. The PS3 is the most technical system right now. There are some hurdles onto getting online. I work at Best Buy and there are A LOT of people out there that don't have a wireless router or have cable internet. I get a lot of calls saying "I just bought a PS3 from you guys and I can't figure out how to get online, create an account, wtf is NAT......" and so forth. Then trying to explain why your headset isn't working is a whole new conversation. These people I am talking about never played PS2 online so they have no idea how any of it works. Us, everyone on this forum, knows what's going on because we played PS2 online. We know how to set up all of this stuff. What I am trying to say is that it is just as hard if not harder for a newcomer to figure out how to get online on a current gaming console.
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Post by r_e_v on Jul 17, 2010 19:25:48 GMT -5
Regardless of how immature the Socom Community might seem to have stooped down too, it's still VERY MATURE, compared to most of the gaming communities out there.
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Post by WarMachine_v1 on Jul 17, 2010 19:26:30 GMT -5
I think the Honor code in Socom is gone out the window. Because in order to play Socom 2 back in the day it required more of a want to play on-line than it does now a days. Kids get a PS3 for Christmas and it takes no effort to connect on-line and start playing COD/SOCOM. The idea of honor is gone due to the world being able to play Socom all at once. I had to go out spend 100 dollars on an adapter, it took me for ever to figure it out and get on-line. Then I had to upgrade my Internet to cable. Plus, back then I think they may have actually tried to card under age video game buyers because the CD wars were going on. What I am getting at is more people who played Socom back then had the desire and love for the game to go thru all of this to play on-line. And I do see alot of people stating on Socom.com they played Socom 2 at age 8 thru 11 years old, to be honest I never ran into anyone that I can remember was that young. The Socom world used to be Adult driven and the Socom code was there due to Maturity. Immature gamers have taken over Socom due to no UCRR's and the PS3 is easy to jump on and play on-line instantly. I believe the Code is gone in public rooms, that's why UCRR's were important. The Code is there in your room. I don't know man. The PS3 is the most technical system right now. There are some hurdles onto getting online. I work at Best Buy and there are A LOT of people out there that don't have a wireless router or have cable internet. I get a lot of calls saying "I just bought a PS3 from you guys and I can't figure out how to get online, create an account, wtf is NAT......" and so forth. Then trying to explain why your headset isn't working is a whole new conversation. These people I am talking about never played PS2 online so they have no idea how any of it works. Us, everyone on this forum, knows what's going on because we played PS2 online. We know how to set up all of this stuff. What I am trying to say is that it is just as hard if not harder for a newcomer to figure out how to get online on a current gaming console. While all true and while I wish this code was back PAUL, we need player numbers and I suppose I may trade some of this honor to get numbers up, as long as it stays fun.
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Post by [BER]PAUL-AWOL- on Jul 17, 2010 19:31:52 GMT -5
I don't know man. The PS3 is the most technical system right now. There are some hurdles onto getting online. I work at Best Buy and there are A LOT of people out there that don't have a wireless router or have cable internet. I get a lot of calls saying "I just bought a PS3 from you guys and I can't figure out how to get online, create an account, wtf is NAT......" and so forth. Then trying to explain why your headset isn't working is a whole new conversation. These people I am talking about never played PS2 online so they have no idea how any of it works. Us, everyone on this forum, knows what's going on because we played PS2 online. We know how to set up all of this stuff. What I am trying to say is that it is just as hard if not harder for a newcomer to figure out how to get online on a current gaming console. While all true and while I wish this code was back PAUL, we need player numbers and I suppose I may trade some of this honor to get numbers up, as long as it stays fun. Having fun is all that matters to me. I could care less if a kid wants to make life miserable for everyone in a Ranked Room on Socom Con. Alot of the Ol Socom Code is lost on Socom Con IMO. I just want to have fun with people I choose to play with in a UCRR, hopefully in Socom 4. Thats kind of my point, my thought process behind my post.
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Post by [PAs] IDEVILMANI on Jul 18, 2010 7:21:45 GMT -5
I think this stems more from Cons lack of UCRRs.
Although, if Con didn't have trophies or specializations, UCRRs wouldn't be that big of a deal. With the lack of UCRRs, Every kid is going to cram into pubby rooms and bring their undecended testicles with them.
With UCRRs, clans and friends could get together, play the games they want to play, and there was just unwritten rule that applied to those friends.
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Post by [BER]PAUL-AWOL- on Jul 19, 2010 8:39:57 GMT -5
Yeah it was an un written rule, but it was up held in ranked rooms by pretty much everyone.. If someone came into a room using an Idub or what ever was not being used at the time, most people asked them to put it away and if the didn't, usually got voted by the majority even if you wasn't in a Clan.
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Post by HTK on Jul 19, 2010 8:42:16 GMT -5
Yeah those days are long gone....to many new people and not enough oldies that were following those rules or un-named rules.
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Post by BULLBOYKENNELS on Jul 19, 2010 8:55:25 GMT -5
Regardless of how immature the Socom Community might seem to have stooped down too, it's still VERY MATURE, compared to most of the gaming communities out there. I have to agree here for sure,. on the flip side of this would be the COD community especially on the 360 are so immature. Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on them at all,. I just just a lot of experience on that from playing both systems. You just seem to find people with better heads on there shoulders on Socom then any other game out there as a whole.
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Post by Philz20 on Jul 19, 2010 9:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah, the code is definitely gone. I remember using a grenade launcher and the IW in SOCOM 2 would result in an immediate vote no matter who you were. Gamers these days don't care about a code or fairness of the game--they're just out to get kills by any means possible. That doesn't mean other players and I will stick by a personal code for how to play the game. For instance, I refuse to use grenade launchers in every game I play (including MW2) because I feel they don't take any skill to get kills with. That's just one example out of many.
SOCOM still has the most mature community in my eyes. A lot of the younger players are basically sheep and will play whatever their friends are playing (like CoD!), and the SOCOM players don't need to play respawns in order to have fun. Too many popular online games are all respawn, and to me the fact that SOCOM is very tactical and the core experience isn't respawn is what makes it awesome.
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Post by spacegerbil1 on Jul 19, 2010 14:31:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the code is definitely gone. I remember using a grenade launcher and the IW in SOCOM 2 would result in an immediate vote no matter who you were. Gamers these days don't care about a code or fairness of the game--they're just out to get kills by any means possible. That doesn't mean other players and I will stick by a personal code for how to play the game. For instance, I refuse to use grenade launchers in every game I play (including MW2) because I feel they don't take any skill to get kills with. That's just one example out of many. SOCOM still has the most mature community in my eyes. A lot of the younger players are basically sheep and will play whatever their friends are playing (like CoD!), and the SOCOM players don't need to play respawns in order to have fun. Too many popular online games are all respawn, and to me the fact that SOCOM is very tactical and the core experience isn't respawn is what makes it awesome. Agreed. What also bothers me even more is the fact that you can hardly get people to vote out glitchers either. I was in a ranked room the other night, and some kid comes in with a M203 on his M4A1 and starts lobbing nades all around the map and ends up with like 16 kills. When asked why they didn't vote the guy out at the end of the game we were told "STFU you n00bs your just crying cus you lost and you suck." That stuff never happened back in the day, unless it was an entire glitching clan in there. I can even fondly remember back in Socom 1 where you could use GameGenie online, people would come into your room and start messing everything out, and they couldn't get voted. The entire room would leave, a new room would be created, and everyone would be back in playing again, and this all happened with a complete group of strangers.
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Post by LUKENBACHER on Jul 19, 2010 14:33:41 GMT -5
I hear you loud and clear on this one Paul. But unfortunately, most of our fanbase has "moved on". We will have to "mold" the new generation into a well mannered community, or butt heads with the new fanbase.
The way people treat one another, all the way down to the clan tactics themselves have evolved into a new generation.
I play pretty competitively online, whether it's shooters, racing, or some type of sports. It's quite sad how quick this new generation will cheat or abort in multiplayer. No honor, no prestige, and no desire to "get better". Nope, they would rather cheat you for the win, or abort to find an easy win against someone else.
It's sadly parallel to life in general. "I wish these kids would get off my lawn!". I fear not only will I be disappointed with the future of multiplayer gaming, but I will also grow up to be an "angry old man" baffled with the youth in my neighborhood.
But that's the "e-world" for you. It blurs the lines of age & respect. Some of these kids never "deal" with the influence of authority and the idea of working hard to accomplish something. So it's no surprise that they jump online, cuss out adults, and cheat their way to the leaderboards.
I remember I used to want to LEARN from gamers better than me. And I would practice for weeks perfecting my gaming skills.
Kids these days would rather google hacks, and con their way to being a "legend". Talented, honest gamers are becoming harder and harder to find these days.
Much like Confrontation, I think we will see 2 communities emerge from Socom 4. An old fanbase proving to the world we still have what it takes to be the best.
And a new fanbase trying to usher in THEIR idea of warfare and community interaction.
I think the two will be like oil & water trying to mix. We will forever have friction, or these kids will have to muster up a new level of maturity that I highly doubt they possess.
Only time will tell.....
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Post by spacegerbil1 on Jul 19, 2010 14:37:02 GMT -5
Much like Confrontation, I think we will see 2 communities emerge from Socom 4. An old fanbase proving to the world we still have what it takes to be the best. And a new fanbase trying to usher in THEIR idea of warfare and community interaction. I think the two will be like oil & water trying to mix. We will forever have friction, or these kids will have to muster up a new level of maturity that I highly doubt they possess. Only time will tell..... Unfortunately, we are in the minority.
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Post by LUKENBACHER on Jul 19, 2010 14:46:40 GMT -5
Much like Confrontation, I think we will see 2 communities emerge from Socom 4. An old fanbase proving to the world we still have what it takes to be the best. And a new fanbase trying to usher in THEIR idea of warfare and community interaction. I think the two will be like oil & water trying to mix. We will forever have friction, or these kids will have to muster up a new level of maturity that I highly doubt they possess. Only time will tell..... Unfortunately, we are in the minority. Yep, but a mustard seed can move a mountain! Or some rank up can choke to death on it. Either one works for me.
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Post by bigfred18 on Jul 19, 2010 15:12:33 GMT -5
I remember back in the old days when everyone said GG. Now the first thing I hear is F you. you suck. I don't care if people talk shit but they could atleast say GG. I always say GG even if I get beat 5-0 or I win 5-0.(unless there's cheaters.) I hop on Socom 2 every once in a while and the Honor Code is still there and people say GG.
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Post by [$K$] BOOMxSTICK on Jul 19, 2010 15:22:21 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much?
I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork.
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Post by LUKENBACHER on Jul 19, 2010 15:41:17 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. We would run across an occasional "troublemaker" from time to time in previous Socoms.... But Confrontation reminds me of a Freddy Krueger movie.
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Post by xWARGOx on Jul 19, 2010 15:44:24 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. You want to talk about people getting bad reps for no reason. Be in my shoes wearing our tag. It's rather amusing though. It's been going on for 7-8 years now. And whoever said Socom players are more mature and have a better head on their shoulders should be kicked in the dick like the spammer tool. Not because I disagree, but because every game community is rough but Socom is far from mature.
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Post by xWARGOx on Jul 19, 2010 15:47:02 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. We would run across an occasional "troublemaker" from time to time in previous Socoms.... But Confrontation reminds me of a Freddy Krueger movie. Last week was the first time I was playing SC since CF came out. I got voted out 3 out of 4 games because either I blew donkey dick (no surprise there) and one said, RMD faggot and then the countdown began. But I always ran into douche bags in Socom. But I am used to it. PC games takes the cake when it comes to douche bags
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Post by [BER]PAUL-AWOL- on Jul 19, 2010 16:01:47 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. That mainly happened after or before a Clan War. Boom the reason why IMO it wasn't as bad in prior Socom's is because we made our own ranked rooms. Life was easier on Socom back then, so yes it's way worse on Con than any other Socom game I have ever played.
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Post by LUKENBACHER on Jul 19, 2010 17:33:04 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. You want to talk about people getting bad reps for no reason. Be in my shoes wearing our tag. It's rather amusing though. It's been going on for 7-8 years now. And whoever said Socom players are more mature and have a better head on their shoulders should be kicked in the dick like the spammer tool. Not because I disagree, but because every game community is rough but Socom is far from mature. The maturity I was referring to was simply comparing the OLD Socom fanbase to the NEW Socom fanbase that ushered in on Confrontation and many more to come on Socom 4. I never said we were "mature" in general lol. So please leave my wee wee alone. ;D
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Post by xWARGOx on Jul 19, 2010 18:03:47 GMT -5
You want to talk about people getting bad reps for no reason. Be in my shoes wearing our tag. It's rather amusing though. It's been going on for 7-8 years now. And whoever said Socom players are more mature and have a better head on their shoulders should be kicked in the dick like the spammer tool. Not because I disagree, but because every game community is rough but Socom is far from mature. The maturity I was referring to was simply comparing the OLD Socom fanbase to the NEW Socom fanbase that ushered in on Confrontation and many more to come on Socom 4. I never said we were "mature" in general lol. So please leave my wee wee alone. ;D Wasnt you I was referring to. When Luke speaks, I remember ;-). Someone else's.
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Post by major_woody_ on Jul 19, 2010 18:22:32 GMT -5
While all true and while I wish this code was back PAUL, we need player numbers and I suppose I may trade some of this honor to get numbers up, as long as it stays fun. WAR, The numbers will be there if ZIPPER puts out a great product. If that does become the case, and Zippers pulls this off. Then many of the SOCOM vets will flock back to their addiction. And in-turn, maybe the Honor Code will come back as well.
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Post by bigfred18 on Jul 20, 2010 0:45:12 GMT -5
Nostalgia in this thread much? I mean your telling me no one talked shit or was rude or whatever back in socom 2 days? I call BS on that. I see it all on Con...dudes calling $K$ cheaters...to dudes saying GG or yall had damn good teamwork. I played 15 or so games on Con today and I said Good Luck in all of them and only in one game did one guy say good luck back and say GG after the match was over. I remember people that trashed talked on Socom 2 but nothing near as much as Con. Almost no one says GG any more. Now it's "you blow donkey dick".(idk maybe that's the new way of saying GG). just an example how the community has changed.
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Post by Greatness on Jul 20, 2010 0:55:12 GMT -5
Honor code is good and all, but I've never understand a person was voted because he used a certain gun or attachment in any Socom game. To me, it makes this whole honor code hypocritical, however, I never played Socom II so I wouldn't know. Just it seems lame that people can't adapt around certain play styles. Which always gave me a chuckle when the removed RPG's and whatnot from rank rooms in Confrontation. Trash talking isn't a bad thing until you take it too far. Sportsmanship should always have it's role.
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